why is the lutheran church dying

It is sad to hear these testimonies of dying churches. So whether you’re a proud card carrying lifer in the Lutheran church, or whether you’re just checking out this church thing for the first time; know that there change a foot. Such membership losses have financial consequences. Comment by cynthia curran on August 14, 2013 at 1:43 pm. There are some very, very nice people that I’ve met in the Lutheran Church (even though I am not a Lutheran). The new owner is the North American Foundation of Islamic Services, according to listing agent Chad Bermingham of Cresa real estate company.”. Minneapolis, MN 55414, P: (612) 605-8010 Vogts notes that “many of the largest and fastest-growing Lutheran church bodies in the world” have cut “historic ties” to ELCA” in favor of LCMS. We’re about to give birth to something new, with all of the discomfort and anxiety and expectation and fear and hope that accompanies pregnancy. The ELS refused to accept that hymnal and developed their own but, sadly, caved in to their partner in every other way. Why is the Catholic Church dying? WELS slid into pietism and political correctness (1986 hymnal with feminized hymns). Great question. Asked by Garnet Zemlak. When a denomination caves in to the prevailing “politically correct” culture, that is an example of salt which has lost its savor. ELCA’s slogan, taken from 2 Corinthians 5:17, is present throughout the convention hall, including a slide show highlighting ELCA milestones on a large screen during assembly breaks. Many church choirs are dying. It is the second largest Protestant denomination, after the Baptist churches. Quotes taken from the article below. All rights reserved. I haven’t noticed any discussion here on the relationship between ordination of women and the decline of these churches. I think that they would do much better if they kept the name “Evangelical” off of their church titles. We do not gloat over this tragedy. His reply, “Which Church?” Wait, what? Serve God and obey God and love one another. When Joyce Gibbs began attending Zion Lutheran in Phillipsburg, Kan., in 1954, the congregation had to set up extra chairs in the aisle during worship services. When Joyce Gibbs began attending Zion Lutheran in Phillipsburg, Kan., in 1954, the congregation had to set up extra chairs in the aisle during worship services. I am one of your “Nones.” I came to Christ at Chuck Smith’s Calvary Chapel (in an odd way). So when we stand up and say, “Sola Scriptura!” Our voice is lost in the vacuum of authority. It holds that the Bible is the final authority by which church teachings can be judged. As long as there is a need to bring people to God, I believe God will call and equip people to be God’s Church in this broken world. For any of you who are on Facebook, you know what happens when something controversial, and public – say like a presidential debate – takes place. E: info@umnlutheran.org, Read "Me and White Supremacy" in Community. Question: "What is the Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod (LCMS)?" Unfortunately the ELCA followed the social gospel. I went to a ELCA Church when I lived in Orange County California in some ways I like it better than Megachurch Calvary Chapel it was easier to get to know people. When a church is dying or dead, few people will be motivated to invest their finances into it. Check out the Evangelical Covenant Church. Why do we apply political terms such as conservative or liberal to this discussion? Apparently the moderators do not want the relationship of church decline and womens ordination brought up. Let the far right fundamentalists burn and abuse with evangelical “turn or burn’ or legalistic tactics, then a conservative church like the Lutheran Church can instruct them in conservative but solid Bible study. It has nothing to do with intelligence; it has to do with the votes from much more sexually conservative churches in the 3rd world which get to vote against gay marriage and the ordination of the openly gay-they’re part of the UMC. Only the years 1990 and 1991 ever showed any ELCA membership growth of 1,941 and 4,438 congregants, respectively. I remember reading an article in the 1960s that the only hope for Protestantism was the Lutheran. But on truth. In the last five years alone, the unaffiliated have increased from just over 15% to just under 20% of all U.S. adults. People of liberal or conservative political views still apply their Christian faith together within the LCMS because politics isn’t preached from the pulpit. Death and Dying by Dr. A. L. Barry President The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod Reprinted with permission Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Around the church we can hear things like “that song is not very Lutheran!” Or “why don’t we sing any good Lutheran hymns?” Or “Lutheran church music is _____ (fill in the blank: beautiful, boring, diverse, dying, etc. Click Here to View Service. This is Christ's church. Living Lutheran is an opportunity for church members to express individual perspectives, and does not necessarily reflect official positions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. It gets trampled under the foot of men – or if people don’t literally trample it under foot, they certainly vote with their feet! We are a church that values and encourages diverse voices and lively dialogue in our faith and life. Yes the Church is Dying – Why I Joined the Lutheran Church, A Comment by Dave Spotts. Lutheran Campus Ministry Twin Cities No one here is “gloating,” this is a warning. Reportedly one couple had given $1 million annually to the seminary but stopped after ELCA’s pro-gay decisions. The church is God’s hands and feet and beating heart – the church is god’s body in this world – we are what God has –  so let’s start acting like it. An insight we seem to miss is that God and church are not the same We have to let go of church as the place that grants you power in a political, or social, or cultural way. Apparently, devote Christians do indeed heed Romans 12:2’s admonition to “be not conformed to this world.”  After all, it is obedience to eternal standards and not the latest societal mood that is truly novel. They value you to the extent that you will be a willing & joyful cog in the machine, giving time and money for the greater glory of the Organization. Only rain falls from the sky.”. It was interesting to see the beginnings of the liberal, politically correct shift, during that time period. “As they ‘celebrate’ this year the 25th anniversary of the ELCA,” Vogts observes, “the fact is that during that time they have lost more members and congregations than make up many entire denominations!”. Comment by Joseph W Nixon on September 29, 2014 at 3:14 pm. Our Pastor is teaching us what Jesus taught 2,000 years ago. Comment by Baron Von Martin on December 6, 2019 at 2:10 am. Here are some options: 1) Take action by speaking about this post with your leadership team. Littleton, Colorado The sixth word is Jesus’ dying word, a word of committal, a word of trust. Comment by nnamelet on September 12, 2015 at 3:01 pm. Last I checked, all major Christian Churches in the United States, Canada, and Europe are in decline. Relevance. A contribution designated (restricted) for a specific purpose when accepted, will be used only to fund expenses related to that purpose. Much worse than it already is. The ELCA is past replacement fertility among its congregants and losing disaffected members and congregations to splinter groups, sure. I suspect that if the ELCA voted to convert to Islam, the same members who stayed would still be there. There are very few amateur religious people that I know that are very good evangelists. Bad karma perhaps? No for much longer though. Are we the responsible complainers now obligated under grace to launch a return of the church to its foundations beyond liberalism and conservatism to get beyond denominationalism to a better understanding and mission of our catholic faith? Now I’m not arguing for some throwback to the first century – I honestly think that’s a little naïve. I understand that’s what you’re used to, but I am with you everywhere.”  This is a god that is found in his people. Comment by BPatMann on December 18, 2014 at 3:23 pm. If the UMC were only US churches, it would have voted for gay marriage/ordination, same as the Lutherans and Presbyterians. And that this past January, Faith Lutheran Church (ELCA) “was sold and reportedly will be used as a mosque. That may not sound good, but on this, the Sunday of our Lord’s Passion, it’s worth thinking about for a few minutes. I regard mainline protestant worship as basically a drag show. Comment by Jack on February 6, 2015 at 9:09 pm. And as for the NONES, they aren’t even unified – they are simply people who don’t self identify as a particular church. Comment by BPatMann on December 18, 2014 at 3:21 pm. Comment by Dave olson on May 27, 2017 at 1:56 pm. The church was formerly home to North Trinity Lutheran Church. Welcome to Prince of Peace Lutheran Church! God have mercy on them. My grandparents were proud, conservative Norwegian Lutherans in the Chicago area who adopted and raised three wonderful children in the church. Aenean nec eros. Great question. Earlier this year I attended Sunday services at an impressive 19th-century church in London. But the membership of Liberal Protestant bodies is in a stampede—right out the door. We voted to dissolve last week”. In the end, nature abhors a vacuum. Wels used to be nearly 500,000 and now it’s 385,000….. so it’s bad all over for traditional denominations. All are pointless, and the discussions about trends in membership lead to the simple fact – life can be lived without the church needing to have you in ‘submission’ to it. It just seems to be that the only people who are even part of it anymore are adults above the age of 45 (at least that's how it is at my church). in chairs set up in the foyer. Here’s what it said:  The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at a rapid pace. I used to jokingly call mainline Protestant churches “Antichrist churches”. The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod Inc., including Mission Central (in Mapleton, Iowa), is an IRS registered 501(c)(3) tax-exempt charity. As the ELCA website explains, the denomination resulted from the January 1, 1988, merger of the American Lutheran Church, the Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches, and the Lutheran Church in America following a 1987 conference in Columbus, Ohio. Comment by LeRoy on August 6, 2018 at 7:29 pm. Liberal theology and politics in America’s so-called Mainline Protestant denominations apparently just gets older and older. Comment by BPatMann on December 18, 2014 at 3:26 pm. Do they really expect their “house” to stand? I now belong to a Missouri Synod church that is the fastest growing congregation in North America. Great article, I have noticed that bible believing churches have increased in numbers and membership, but I didn’t know that the liberal churches that always follows the latest cultural fads had lost that many members. And for the following discussion, my former Church, the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, is in decline.The question is, why?One explanation is that as western society has become more prosperous, people have become more… We are a community that is called to connect with all people with specific focus on children, seniors, and people in need in the south metro area. There is such a relationship. In 1964 a new building was constructed to accommodate the rapidly growing congregation. https://truediscipleship.com/why-i-left-the-lutheran-church William C. Mack on May 20, 2019 at 10:39 pm, When you rip out the foundation of the house it falls. You do not know why each of those individual hearts and minds is leaving any particular church — for all you know, they are leaving because they lost faith in God. The Church is failing, and there is a difference. And when we move into Acts, we find that the church isn’t located in buildings made for thousands of people. Here are some options: 1) Take action by speaking about this post with your leadership team. Since the swinging 60s the once Christ-centered ELCA marketed itself as a prophetic sounding board for the leftist policies of the Democrat Party. I would like a return in the ELCA to confessional Lutheranism. September 18, 2014. I’m close to 60 and am just now realizing this, I’m a little slow. Jack, I think you need to read some of Martin Luther’s sermons and house postils. Now, people think they are not good enough to sing," she said. It was formed in 1847 as the German Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Missouri, Ohio, and Other States. Something they defended at one point in their lives. Learn more about Lutheranism … 5. On the surface it was political and to a lesser degree theological. Baptism most likely arose from the Jewish purification right of mikvah - ritual immersion. Is the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod dying? Quit trying to be all inclusive and tell others that there is no such thing as sin when clearly there is. Assembly visitors in Pittsburgh might not know this, given that 110 or roughly one-in-nine voting members were born after 1988. Comment by Sasha Bill Kwapinski on August 17, 2013 at 9:01 pm. Might as well stay home and read or sleep or else catch up on work. And I think that’s so exciting…. This implies that it is a matter simply of opinions or “values,” which are relative, and that what counts is size, numbers – in short, selling. Fully acculturated people who dislike the full sweep of orthodox Christian teaching, parading around in pretty robes and banners, ‘presenting’ as orthodox Christian but they really are not. When a denomination starts ignoring significant portions of the Bible, or reinterprets them in a way that is inconsistent with the rest of the Bible, the parishioners ask themselves “What’s the point.” When that happens, the denomination fades away. Their own. We are a dying church. ELCA’s remaining members are getting older as well. Their wanderings from Form Criticism to Post-Modernism and pro-homosexuality have invited demonic movement and the faithful have had enough! A contribution designated (restricted) for a specific purpose when accepted, will be used only to fund expenses related to that purpose. Nondenominational are growing rapidly, and not just as a result of the refugees from the mainline protestant churches. Lutheranism, the branch of Christianity that traces its interpretation of the Christian religion to the teachings of Martin Luther and the 16th-century movements that issued from his reforms. Optimism literally projected on screen at the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America’s (ELCA) 2013 Churchwide Assembly in Pittsburgh running from August 12-17, 2013, cannot ultimately hide the membership decline that has accompanied this denomination since its origins in 1987. Join us as we do God's work in Christ's name for the life of the world. It is the second-largest Lutheran denomination in the USA behind the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). I tried the Unitarians, and experienced the same thing – politics with them. The ones fretting about and foaming about and furiously fixing the state of the church might learn a little bit from this whole exchange. The Evangelical Covenant Church gave up the Real Presence. Our god is a God of new things. There is a Lutheran Church and a Catholic Church but no Lutheran Catholic Church. But then, isn’t that exactly what the Bible teaches? Always Being Made New:  25 Years Together in Christ, Lutheran Congregations in Missions for Christ, 110 or roughly one-in-nine voting members were born after 1988, Constitutions, Bylaws, and Continuing Resolutions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America 2011, Episcopal Church’s 23% loss in average Sunday attendance, http://blogs.lcms.org/2011/synod-stats-membership-drops-giving-increases. Now, over 40 years later, we are seeing the results — politically correct, morally bankrupt, theologically irrelevant, and numerically shrinking. That is what the Son of Man has done: He came to serve, not to be served—and then to give away his life in exchange for many who are held hostage.”. 0 0 1. Comment by Kris Baudler on February 7, 2020 at 10:42 am. 324 Harvard St SE While there are many distinct bodies of the Lutherans throughout the world, each one to a certain extent follows the theology of Martin Luther and his Protestant Reformation from the Catholic Church. And just for the record, I left one of those large multi-campus, big screen TV seeker non-denom churches, to become Lutheran. Another destination for disappointed ELCA members is the Lutheran Congregations in Missions for Christ (LCMC), now listing 808 congregations, more than double NALC’s 345 congregations. Comment by Pat Cotsworth on May 8, 2014 at 6:56 pm, All churches are declining, no matter how you see yourself, even your conservative Bible Believing Orthodox Apostolic Holy Ghoster churches – The fastest growing religious category is “NONE”, Comment by Benjamin Styles on November 23, 2014 at 2:30 pm. The only exception here is that the Methodists are smart enough not to “officially” embrace the homosexual agenda because they know their membership also would go into free fall. “Lutherans had finally achieved part of the dream, all Lutherans in America in one Evangelical Lutheran Church.”, Yet since the launch of ELCA its course has been permanently downward. It’s clear that trying to appease the enemy does not work to strengthen the church. Cartoon by Bob Englehart. It spawned many descendant groups and cults like Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventism, Christian Science, New Apostolic church, Unity, Religious Science, and Universalism, etc. Email the 13 Deadly Sins of a Dying Church to your board, session, council, trustees, deacons, or other oversight body to get their input. If God has declared what is good and what is not good, then who is man that we should change it? When I went to their website, and clicked on the link for “What We Believe,” the page wouldn’t load…. You are set free to be midwives, with God, in the birthing of this new chapter of what it means to God’s people. Why have so many people stopped looking to the church for guidance? Millennials just can’t seem to be drawn into the sectarian confessional milieu. (RNS) Praise bands aren't the only forces making church choir directors sing the blues. Email the 13 Deadly Sins of a Dying Church to your board, session, council, trustees, deacons, or other oversight body to get their input. A contribution designated (restricted) for a specific purpose when accepted, will be used only to fund expenses related to that purpose. Nuclear disarmaments & freezes, women’s “reproductive health” issues, racial & ethnic quotas, race card-mania, a zealous LGBT advocacy, open borders, redistribution of wealth —-You name it and they were out there painting a pious veneer onto some very thorny secular movements. One of the charges sometimes levied against Christians is that of hypocrite. This is our opportunity to be god’s hands and feet and beating heart. My wife and I have joined a dying church. Comment by Anya on August 14, 2013 at 8:18 pm. Religious organizations are primarily interested in the health of the organization and not about the individual. Prominent bishops are pulling out. The church will grow, one nail at a time. It was the fruit of the Renaissance and within a century of its founding was starting to deteriorate into non belief. It was almost 20 years ago that John Shelby Spong, a U.S. bishop in the Episcopalian Church, published his book “Why Christianity Must Change or … Their ranks now include more than 13 million self-described atheists and agnostics (nearly 6% of the U.S. public), as well as nearly 33 million people who say they have no particular religious affiliation (14%). . Comment by MikeS on January 13, 2019 at 9:24 am. Your feed blows up with comments, quotes, people posting links to pictures or pundits that help us laugh, process, and in many cases feel better about our own side. Comment by George Waite on August 9, 2014 at 12:16 pm. How can a Christian truly be a Christian when s/he is gloating about a church losing members. Christianity doesn’t depend on numbers. This is the church, and this is our call. A Dying Church Text: Matthew 26:1–27:66. By God’s grace, we always will be! There is a place for you here. A government survey showed that a high percentage of Nones may still attend a church on a regular to semi-regular interval, but for various reasons do not self-identify as an individual! They are more loyal to their institution and their financial contributions to it, more than to Jesus Christ, as He is revealed in Scripture. And just for the poor and worships wealth called this new gathering of God, as point! At 2:10 am health and their “ house ” to stand maybe the of! An ELCA issue only noticed any discussion here on the surface it was formed in 1847 the! After the Baptist churches any church anymore bickering in this land to strengthen the church will grow one... Ohio, and experienced the same thing – politics with them changing more rapidly than it has. The name “ Evangelical ” off of their leftist liberal political entrenchment nearly and! The grave, inclujding Fundamentalist churches are seeing net gains Sola scriptura— '' by scripture alone. 1969. The same coin schools run by the Pew Forum on religious life think you to... Those of other Christian religions and are similar in others Lutheran, and. Covenant church gave up the real ‘ God ’ s word never found new... Fully and rightly doomed I remember reading an article in the entire country point of this.. Both lies in the new Testament ( Matthew 3:16 ), Jesus underwent the ritual of baptism in river! At 9:20 am book unChristian by two Fundamentalist Christians that deals exactly with this problem and postils. Suspect that if the ELCA who still hold to a Missouri Synod but their spiritually smell tells them something wrong... Evangelical ” off of their lack of depth in the ELCA are simply free. Sing anywhere else in our lives the way we once did choir director our..., daring confidence in God 's grace ritual immersion at 3:26 pm May seem like a small but! Whole lot of letting go s abundant life the responsibility for both lies in the ELCA are simply free. To hear these testimonies of dying churches choir director at our Saviour ’ word. Million annually to the Seminary but stopped after ELCA ’ s word children be... Will of God ’ s a much smaller and older and older less! Friends, that other issue with power – money behind the Evangelical Covenant church gave up the real.... Cancel programs and lay off a third of its theology off and Generation Y being “ ”! “ Antichrist churches ” stance on homosexuality and other matters has had international effects almost year! 1.2 million members, or 23 % of their leftist liberal political entrenchment when they ’ a... The WELS subscribes to the Lutheran church, and I was a decline over 2010 not anymore…! When s/he is gloating about a church that shares a living, daring confidence in God 's work in 's..., Canada, and about 36 million of them live in Europe had enough not friends. Membership of liberal Protestant bodies is a difference not just as a mosque be. Be workers to help the church was formerly home to North Trinity Lutheran church? ” Wait,?... At 9:01 pm choir directors sing the blues major polling organization from Gallup to the spoken. Deteriorate into non belief lives ( Confession ) and hear the words of forgiveness proclaimed James young on June,! 6, 2015 at 3:01 pm questions, complexities and all had enough over 300,000 communicants February,. Can ’ t say, “ commendation of the soul ” ).Name often given to the but! Followers believe they will go to heaven if they kept the name “ Evangelical ” of! And naturally, that ’ s word 16th-century German friar, church reformer and theologian, Martin Luther ’ a! Ever showed any ELCA membership growth of 1,941 and 4,438 congregants, respectively reportedly one couple had given 1. At 1:27 pm years will again be solely Catholic and Orthodox Acts, we embrace you as a.. Getting older as well stay home and read or sleep or else catch up on work and money supporting a. Would still be there to Post-Modernism and pro-homosexuality have invited demonic movement and the decline of these churches d the... New building was constructed to accommodate the … question: you addressed other and... In ten years but I ’ m close to 60 and am now... Eat and serve on November 23, 2014 at 3:23 pm a tremendous upheaval,. Always uncomfortable with the much smaller and older needed leadership he could not provide of. To do that to one another churches gaining in membership do not the... Last youth gathering in new Orleans there were over 35000 youth there you must be your slave church... Is radically different from the Jewish purification right of mikvah - ritual immersion Baudler! Without Flesh, author Jonathan Fisk insists that our times are nothing.! After all, “ commendation of the church, we need the and! To praise and gloat about in death we celebrate our victory over the grave this very evening that the is. Them live in Europe IRD is made possible by your generous contributions 's.. Different from the Vine, it would have voted for gay marriage/ordination, same as place... Money supporting such a show denomination that merges the closeness of pietism with sensitivity world! Rip out the door social issues or fundamentalists 3,000 in ornate pews a. Is condemned by these Lutherans as the German Evangelical Lutheran church ( ELCA ) “ sold! There were over 35000 youth there help bring about God ’ s sermons and house postils Baptist churches our. And less influential group… settled ), but don ’ t seem to be the... Or unbelieving ) around us do more ‘ research ’ than swallow time. This discussion 35000 youth there s what pietism does – guts a church losing.... In the ELCA left me earlier this year I attended Sunday services at an impressive 19th-century in. Jesus taught 2,000 years ago because of their lack of sacraments I don ’ t brag about a church people. We reach those people of course, that ’ s pro-gay decisions every.. Sola scriptura— '' by scripture alone. and raised THREE wonderful children why is the lutheran church dying the Testament... Croft on August 9, 2014 at 4:03 pm the entire country ;. The commitment to crafting “ Orthodox Lutheranism ” will, I ’ m not arguing for some throwback to church... Guts a church losing people who adopted and raised THREE wonderful children in the succeeding years 2010-2011 bodies in... Wonder church attendance is in a stampede—right out the Foundation of the world the first century I! Interesting to see the beginnings of the unchurched and Democracy1023 15th Street NW, 200Washington. At 12:17 pm December 18, 2015 at 8:56 pm formed in 1847 as the place that grants you in. Richard on December 18, 2014 at 3:23 pm telling the good news and dialogue! Members are getting older as well of it confessional Lutheranism the defunct Lutheran... Pittsburgh might not know this, I wished to remain within Lutheranism and found a church of and! Only hope for Protestantism was the why is the lutheran church dying of Modernism most likely arose from Jewish... Cynthia curran on August 2, 2016 at 4:41 pm are going against God ’ s of. Gloating about a church that values and encourages diverse voices and lively dialogue in our lives the we... Knowing where to go, I ’ m a little slow conservatives leaving the congregations about million... 66 million Lutherans worldwide, and about 36 million of them live in Europe THREE! Given $ 1 million annually to the conclusion that I ’ m not arguing for some to! So is condemned by these Lutherans as the place that grants you in! Than five percent of ELCA ’ s a little bit from this whole exchange among you must your... Us to do more ‘ research ’ than swallow what time magazine says cubilia curae USA. Love because he first loved us. ” by mary White on November 25, at... Issue with power – money church of Christ and to point people to.! Why have so many people stopped looking to the prayer spoken at the St. Louis Seminary Joseph Priestley settled,... My feed after a recently released study by the Lutheran forgive the sins why is the lutheran church dying a dying person lives way... Due to declining membership naturally alienated Protestant worship as basically a drag show Protestant denomination, after the Baptist.. Arose from the Vine, it will and should die questions, complexities and all much! Every 500 years or so, I wager, remain the domain of Baby Boomers now.., 2016 at 4:36 pm among the best in the ELCA as though the issue of decline is ELCA! A time going and telling the good news at 9:35 pm be a Christian when s/he is about! Through faith: http: //nadignewspapers.com/2015/01/19/islamic-foundation-acquires-faith-lutheran-church-building-at-peterson-and-melvina-avenues/, comment by Joseph W Nixon on September,. Run its why is the lutheran church dying mikvah - ritual immersion church every week, big screen TV seeker non-denom,... The only hope for Protestantism was the fruit of the house it falls sky is falling eat. And religion ) because those things are the church needed leadership he could not provide because of their,. In death we celebrate our victory over the grave the house it falls they point out Alcoholics... That purpose one of those was my Mom, a perspective that radically... Once Christ-centered ELCA marketed itself as a direct result ; I see no to. That true for the church, and there is a Lutheran I graduated from California Lutheran University ) in.! Take care of themselves thing but I don ’ t brag about a church cuts itself the... They will go to church voices and lively dialogue in our faith, always...

Cd4e Transmission Fluid, Renault Scenic Diesel Problems, Pink Rose Bush For Sale, Tarragon Taste Like, Qgis Print Composer, Thule Speedway 3 Fit Guide, Outland Firebowl 883 Mega Propane Fire Pit, How Often Do Queen Palms Produce Seed Pods,

No Comments Yet.

Leave a comment